Ownership of Lancair aircraft

[Ryan Riley]

BTW, the fact that there isn’t strong responses to a proposal like the one I’m making is itself evidence that this forum DOES NOT HAVE critical mass. But don’t let that stop viewers of this forum from weighing in. My honest personal opinion, possibly to the chagrin of the some LOBO folks (I don’t know) is that forward progress simply WILL NOT HAPPEN without some radical changes, of which my proposal is just one.

Dan, thanks for taking the time to write down your recommendation and the reasoning behind it. Regarding a shake-up, that is a big move when we still don't know the outcome of Lancair Aerospace. I think if the company goes defunct, someone will need to buy the company, even if it is just the name and remaining parts. OEM deals with manufacturers is what is important in the near-term. Getting parts so people can keep their planes flying, or finish building, is very important for brand health. Long-term, it'd be nice to get the ES and Legacy lines back open with updated CAD designs to cut down build time. However, that would take a significant capital infusion.

LOBO has the LML and old Yahoo exchanges, but converting them to something searchable is proving challenging. We are about to renew the push to find a solution that allows us to port them into LancairLive and structured so they are searchable. We will then SEO them through Google which will bring up LancairLive on Page 1 of searches more frequently.

Lastly, LOBO is working diligently to modernize and bring new content and value to members. We are streamlining our LOBO Landings, setting them in locations that are near our large owner-centers, and building new outreach through the forum and www.lancairowners.com. It's going to take time, but we're working on it.

Regarding gaining critical mass, LancairLive is growing steadily since we started it. We're now at 350 people, and I think the more folk post actively, the more interest we will see. I'll keep working on getting the word out and I ask that if you find value in the atmosphere we've set, share as well.

[Chris Zavatson]

I have what I think is the entire LML content in a single text file.
Just for kicks:
237 pages
4,091,569 words
23,321,943 characters.
772,028 lines.

The file is so large that MS Word struggles. Notepad can still handle it.


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[Tom McNerney]

I've been around just long enough and been involved with just enough kit company's to know a lot about how they die a slow death. Performance Aircraft (Turbine Legend), Radial Rocket, Glasair and now Lancair. The fundamental thing in your list which determines the rest of it is assuming Lancair is for sale. Many kit companies have died while still having some retail value but the owners don't want to sell. Their own ego plays a lot into that discussion, but it also involves some delusional thoughts of what the company could be under their management.

Just like Glasair, I don't see much value left in the Lancair company if you were to buy it, assuming it is for sale. About the only thing you'll get is the ability to say that you ARE the factory. The parts inventory I'm sure has been picked through. The intellectual property doesn't have much value as we're all making our own stuff now. I think it is delusional to think anyone is going to produce a 'new' Lancair kit, especially paying American wages. It is a parts business at this point, not a kit company. A parts business can be valued fairly quickly based on sales. What are they selling currently? Nothing.. I converted Advanced Aero Components (Glasair) into a functioning parts business with a single rather low skilled employee. It was enough to keep the lights on and make new parts to support the fleet. It worked, until someone's ego took over and cut me out.

Although I certainly wouldn't hinder someone's efforts to buy it, at this point I'm going to move forward assuming it is dead and will not be back. The sooner everyone else does that in my opinion, the sooner we can group together for the purpose of maintaining our fleet.

Just my thoughts,
Tom